Rebel Millionaire

Kat: Okay. Oh. How do I do this? Wait for it.

Patrick: Got to do it.

Kat: Are you going [crosstalk 00:00:42] through the snow?

Patrick: Yeah I'm going through the snow. I got it at like 60 degrees in here right now. It's 60 degrees in my house, I have no idea why.

Kat: Is that cold?

Patrick: To me it is, yes.

Kat: Does that mean cold, I don't understand your language.

Patrick: To me it is very cold. To me its subzero temperature, I'm absolutely freezing right now. I'm about to die of a cold or flu.

Kat: Your dying?

Patrick: Yup. I have not gone [crosstalk 00:01:11]

Kat: It's a sad state. I'm going to ...

Patrick: Hold on let me [crosstalk 00:01:18]

Kat: I'm finding out what temperature that is. I'm Googling it so everybody understands what's happening.

Patrick: Oh yeah, it doesn't translate. Doesn't translate in your language.

Kat: Oh, it's 15 degrees. Hang on I've got to shut the door, there's window men right outside my door and it's super noisy. One second.

Patrick: 15 degrees. Holy shit, what the fuck happened to my computer. So what's up everybody, hello, hello, welcome everybody. I'll go ahead and say that. Hello?

Kat: What's up?

Patrick: [inaudible 00:01:47] everybody's already said something. I don't know, my computer just took a shit. I've no idea. So did you say 15 degrees, your words? This is retarded. Hold on. I can't hear you.

Kat: [inaudible 00:02:04] must be dying.

Patrick: I can't, what the [crosstalk 00:02:06]

Kat: Am I back? Am I back?

Patrick: Yeah you're back. Oh, I forgot we're on my internet connection.

Kat: Yeah I had ... No, it's because I put my earplugs in because my house cleaner is upstairs vacuuming.

Patrick: Oh well how fancy, how fancy.

Kat: I'm very fancy, you know that.

Patrick: Very fancy with your extravagance earbuds.

Kat: So I said that everybody should send you a love heart shower because you're surviving in only 15.555 degree Celsius right now, for the Australians. Now, if people are from Melbourne though, which is my hometown, they're going to be like, "Harden the fuck up, that's warm," but here where I live that's horrible. Horrible. Nobody should have to endure those sort of ...

Patrick: Yeah, these are very horrible circumstances. [crosstalk 00:02:58]

Kat: Nobody should have to endure those sort of subzero temperatures.

Patrick: Nobody should be asked to endure these subzero temperatures, I'll tell you that. All right.

Kat: All right. I might need some assistance. Can you help me out?

Patrick: What do you got?

Kat: Should I wear my hair like this? Should I wear my hair like that or behind? Or on one side? What's the best livestream hair?

Patrick: I kind of like it behind.

Kat: Out?

Patrick: That looks good.

Kat: Behind, all right. There you go everybody.

Patrick: There you go. That looks good.

Kat: We're going to talk about [crosstalk 00:03:37]

Patrick: That's the queen Kat look.

Kat: [crosstalk 00:03:39] Cleopatra.

Patrick: She says, Angela said, [inaudible 00:03:43] I'm in Texas right now. Texas by way of Bali, very, very soon. In the next month, no, no, this month. This month, I'm going next week, next week.

Kat: This week maybe. Maybe even tomorrow.

Patrick: No I have to wait till the weekend.

Kat: Oh well.

Patrick: Have to wait till the weekend because [crosstalk 00:04:04] I have to move my stuff.

Kat: Time and space is just, time is just an illusion anyway. The weekend could mean tomorrow. Could mean today. Could all be one day. That's extended into itself.

Patrick: Time is an illusion [crosstalk 00:04:18]

Kat: I think I'm going to take these out again now. I'm going to take these out again now because they're annoying me.

Patrick: What is [inaudible 00:04:25] giving you a delay? I'm going to drop this in my [crosstalk 00:04:30]

Kat: No, I just prefer no earbuds and the vacuuming stopped. But check it out, I'm sorry that I keep doing this to you Patrick, but I'm going to do it anyway. Are you ready?

Patrick: I'm ready.

Kat: I'm just eating my bacon and eggs with my Vegemite while in waiting for us to go live.

Patrick: Oh my God. Oh my god.

Kat: I was halfway through eating.

Patrick: How are you destroying this fucking meal with that shit? That's an all American meal, and you're just going to destroy it with that. Destroy it, it's completely just-

Kat: Look, pay attention. You want to put the Vegemite straight onto your eggs. Straight on.

Patrick: What's that green thing? I don't want to put that Vegemite anywhere near my eggs. I don't want it anywhere near any of my food.

Kat: That's avocado.

Patrick: Oh that's an avocado?

Kat: That's avocado.

Patrick: I thought you all had green eggs and ham over there or something because I don't even know.

Kat: You want to eat that with, look, pay attention.

Patrick: I have no idea what you all have over there.

Kat: You want to put a little bit of Vegemite on the avocado, eat it like that. I don't know why I get so much enjoyment from doing this to you.

Patrick: [crosstalk 00:05:29] it's just crazy how different people's taste buds are.

Kat: It's so good.

Patrick: What you just did-

Kat: It's just because-

Patrick: What you just did was the equivalent of somebody spraying a cat turd on a fucking piece of toast and eating it to me, that's just what I just saw you do.

Kat: I'd love to have some toast. [crosstalk 00:05:52] I'd love to have toast with avocado. You also-

Patrick: What's up [crosstalk 00:05:57] on here. Feel like we're getting delayed [crosstalk 00:06:00] again, we're delayed.

Kat: We're not delayed. The internet just doesn't know how to keep up with us, but really you should also always dip your bacon straight into the Vegemite. Pay attention. Look.

Patrick: I'm not paying attention to that, it's fucking heresy.

Kat: Because salt with bacon. The saltiness, it's like extra salt in it. It's great.

Patrick: That's the most disgusting thing.

Kat: So yesterday-

Patrick: You're so beautiful and then you do such disgusting things to yourself. It's just weird. It's like [crosstalk 00:06:37] weird, it's like-

Kat: It's part of my mystique.

Patrick: Why did this very creative hot chick just do the nastiest thing. It's like watching a shizer video. Know what shizer is, [crosstalk 00:06:44] the German [crosstalk 00:06:45]

Kat: I'm sorry, but thanks. No. No. But I appreciate the compliment.

Patrick: No. Have no idea [crosstalk 00:06:51]

Kat: But I can't help it, it's part of my mystique.

Patrick: That's not mystique, that's not.

Kat: But it's actually ... Do I need to know?

Patrick: What'd you say? We've got a delay, we've got a delay.

Kat: Do I need to know? No I was waiting for you, do I need to know or understand?

Patrick: Well you're from Germany, so you should know. It's basically German scat porn basically. You know what scat porn is? Have you ever heard of it?

Kat: I don't watch any German porn. Currently I don't watch German porn. I watch regular, all American or Australian porn.

Patrick: Well I'm saying that you can know of it, you can know of it. There's different types you know, when you're scrolling through you're going to see some different categories. There's grandma, there's all sorts [crosstalk 00:07:38] of different types. Then there's German shizer, there's scat porn, you just happen to be scrolling by it, see it, sometimes.

Kat: So basically what's happened here is we came on to do a recoded conversation about art and resistance and flow and we're talking about German porn?

Patrick: Yes. Particularly the scat variety. You invited me on here.

Kat: I just like to keep-

Patrick: You fucking invited me on here.

Kat: I think you said we need to record our conversation. You said I believe ... Thank you. You said I believe it's time to record our conversation again or something like that I believe it is. You messaged me yesterday and then you must have rudely just gone to bed straight after messaging me because I needed help, I was stuck in the resistance, I wrote back to you with a happy faced emoji. Then you must have gone to sleep so I just had to live in the resistance all by myself with nobody to kick my ass.

Patrick: Yeah, I saw that, I was like man [crosstalk 00:08:38]

Kat: And that's how I ended up with [crosstalk 00:08:39]

Patrick: That was a weird thing to wake up to, I was like wow, you were in the, you, Kat of all people in the resistance? Now that's the part usually reserved for me. I'm the one that likes to play in the resistance.

Kat: I know, it's mind blowing. The truth is maybe I just don't talk about it enough. It's like quicksand, it was dragging me into it. It was probably a Vegemite deficiency in my bloodstream. There was definitely a flow deficiency in my bloodstream.

Patrick: It's all coming to a head you know. It's finally attacking your nervous system.

Kat: The Vegemite? Or the flow?

Patrick: Yes.

Kat: So then okay, so this morning I went to Muay Thai and I was doing my rounds in the ring and I couldn't breathe properly. It's fucking annoying because I'm very fit, but my fitness just wasn't there. He's like, "What's going on?" And I said to him, my trainer, "I think I'm just not connected to my body properly yet." Like I haven't connected into my body yet because my mind's thinking about other stuff and we had already done maybe three or four rounds. I was going hard, but I was just like kind of breathing like that, but I wasn't feeling anxious about anything. So then it was just fucking annoying, but as soon as I, like we got to maybe 30 or 40 minutes into the session even, and then you feel that switch click and you connect to flow and you're just like holy shit, it's on and you're in that dance and that super flow.

Kat: It's exactly like business. I was saying to my trainer this morning it's like, you're like, ugh, even I get this, I get it every fucking day. Like people maybe think I'm motivated because I do so much content. Well I'm driven by, I hate the fucking feeling of when I don't do my content. I just feel like shit if I don't do my art, but that doesn't mean that when I sit my ass in the chair that it's flowing. It's often exactly the same as at the start of that workout where the first 10 or 20 or 30 or even 40 minutes, you just feel like you're wading through quicksand. You don't feel connected properly and you're not breathing deeply and then you're thinking, this shit, what am I even writing. Even yesterday after I messaged you then I was like fuck you, apparently you're not going to message me back and save me, so I'm going to have to write something myself and figure it out. [crosstalk 00:11:07]

Patrick: [inaudible 00:11:10] all the time.

Kat: And I write something, I write a blog anyway, but it was so shit. I posted it anyhow on Facebook, it was just the lamest thing I've ever posted in the history of time. It's still there, everyone can see it from yesterday. Even my team are like, "What is this, is this a blog? Are we supposed to put this on the Instagram story? What is this actually, there's no photo, it's not long enough." No, they weren't really ... But my point is you just got to do that damned thing anyway. You don't wait for flow, you get into flow. Sometimes you've got to get in and it's like a tumultuous, whitewater river and you just got to get pounded under the water again and again and knocked back down. Then at some point it's like boom, I'm in the flow zone. Everyone just wants to be in the flow zone, but you don't get there without being willing to go through the quicksand a bit.

Patrick: No, it's funny you mention this now and I glad we're on here talking about this because I actually had exactly what you're talking about happened today, but fortunately ... So, did you ever get back into, did you ever reach flow or did you just spend the whole day just not, you didn't get there? Or did you finally get there?

Kat: Yesterday, you know what, I wrote the damn post anyway. I published a post, I put a sales call to action on the end because I fucking show up for my art, that's my commitment. I'm very consistent. I'm probably the most consistent person on the internet with content, I believe. And I'm personally doing all my content myself as well, it's not like you know some people put a tonne of content out there, but how much content are they actually doing.

Patrick: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kat: I think I'm like the most consistent person out there. So I posted the damn post anyway, I had to cut it short because I was meeting somebody and I knew that he was going to be there any minute. I was like all right, I didn't even have the time to get into my flowzone, I had like 12 minutes. I'm like fuck, I'll write something. I still wrote a damn blog, I still put a sales call to action on the end. I was like, this is bullshit, but, I don't know how many likes or comments are on it, but the people who commented and liked it, the people who commented were like, "This is exactly what I needed." And so it's about getting out of your own way, but then after that I went on a walk for like two hours. Had a good conversation and then came home and I still wasn't quite in that flowzone and I thought I could livestream last night and snap myself into it. But I didn't, resistance got me by the ass. I sat around for a bit, fucked around, pretending to do things on the computer and then I just went to bed.

Kat: But, this morning, I don't know if you read my blog this morning. It was so good, it might be one the best posts I've written this year. It's called, "You're not a marketer you're an artist. A tortured one or not, and you'd better start fucking acting like it," or something like that. When I wrote that [crosstalk 00:13:55] blog ... Huh?

Patrick: I saw it, I usually read your stuff at night on my time, nighttime you know. At the end of my day I'll read it. So you kind of catch me whenever I haven't read it yet.

Kat: You're going to like that one. I'm so happy with that. You know when you write something or you do a livestream and you're just like oh, yeah, I fucking nailed it. Or, I didn't even know what I wrote, but I got what I want from it. I got that release and that connection to soul and then I went straight to training to Muay Thai then I was disconnected for 35 minutes. Then I got in the zone and holy shit, the last 15 or 20 minutes of my workout this morning, I have not brutalised myself like that in a while. It was so good, like I was nearly collapsing onto the floor. It's like that voice in your head that's like oh, are you going to die, are you going to die, you think you're going to fall down and die? You can't keep going? Are you dead yet? No, then keep fucking going bitch. I was just smack talking myself and I was so on the edge of being like I need timeout, I need to stop early.

Kat: I just kept going and I kept thinking of, like I always remember Arnold Schwarzenegger saying that your body can go so much further than your mind. Like when you think that your body is done, whether it's in training, but also with the business. Your writing, your art, it's such a load of bullshit. I love nothing better than kicking my own ass and being like oh, you think you're hurting, you think this hurts? Keep fucking going. It's the most empowering feeling in the world. I literally collapsed onto the floor in the ring at the end of the session. Within a second though I had the biggest smile on my face already even though I was in agony.

Kat: It's just, I don't know, I don't know how many people relate to that, but I love the pain, the purposeful pain. Otherwise, you just feel like you're not alive. So that resistance got me yesterday, but then today I eliminated it.

Patrick: Well I know we were talking, the night before I believe, we were talking about how to say enjoy resistance. We were also talking about some of the things that were going on with your spot and where you were living at and things like that. We were talking about being where you were at and that you might have to create new challenges for yourself. You think this is maybe a product of that? Maybe your mind switched over to that, maybe you wanted some more resistance and you brought that to yourself?

Kat: Maybe, that's a good point. Yeah, we had a phone call the other night that went for nearly three hours. At the end we were like fuck, we forgot to record our phone call again, so that we can sell it to everybody. It was so good. So now we-

Patrick: It was good.

Kat: No we're doing this for everyone. You can send [crosstalk 00:16:38] us a love heart [inaudible 00:16:40] huh?

Patrick: Some love hearts to what?

Kat: To thank us for being here and speaking.

Patrick: Oh yeah, for sure. Check this out though, so we talked about that right and then so now that was happening, this resistance was happening. Now I've been like, the resistance is easing up on me. I've been going through fucking resistance because I'm a glutton for punishment. I don't know what do they call it, sadistic? No, it was masochist, what's the one where you like to get kicked in the balls?

Kat: Isn't one of them like means you like to hurt other people and one means you like to hurt yourself? Masochist is you like self punishment I think.

Patrick: Yeah, I think that's the one.

Kat: And sadist is you like to hurt other people.

Patrick: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, one of those two, the one where you get kicked in the balls. Obviously that's what I'm going through right now, I like to kick myself in the balls here. I've been going through that resistance, what we talked about on the phone. Maybe I want to, obviously yes, of course, why the fuck, how could it be any other way? How could it be any other way? Anything that you're going through, any resistance that you have in your life is because you want it to be there. Plain and simple. There's no other way around it, if you take responsibility for everything in your life as you should, as you should. If you believe in manifestation, if you believe it's all in your control. If you fucking believe in manifestation, [inaudible 00:18:03] you can alter your body by eating donuts or ramen noodle soups and still lose weight. If you believe that you have that [crosstalk 00:18:12] kind of control-

Kat: Who said anything about donuts?

Patrick: If you believe that you have that kind of control over the universe, then you better damn fucking well believe that you're making this shit up. That you're making up the resistance, you're creating the resistance. You're creating the despair, the feeling, the thoughts or the anguish. All that shit you want to, you fucking masochist you. You want the kick in the balls for some reason.

Patrick: Okay, well I'm tired of the kick in the balls I guess. I must be done with it because today, so and then we're talking about now we're talking about my day. What's up Johnny? What's up Pistol Pete. Then we're talking about, now it's kind of easing up on me right. I woke up this morning and I saw your message, I'm like damn, I left her in the cooker last night. She's just, it's like I can't believe I saw this message of resistance here. I'm like, I was blown away by it you know, but I knew you were asleep, so obviously went about my day.

Patrick: I started out my day just like you're talking about. I couldn't get into where I was trying to go. I was getting wrapped up and started right out the gate getting into shit that's not my art. Started getting into stuff pertaining to my other business, which I had put a cutoff date. We had just got done talking about that, saying fuck everything until noon or whatever, you know, until we get going. Right off the bat I start getting things happening though that were saying to me that some resistance was being overcome in the other business. So I was like huh, so I took the bait you know. I took the bait.

Patrick: Not only that, last night I had found a blog post that I had written and I had never posted it. I got scared about it and I didn't post it. I was acting like a little bitch and I left it there. And so I discovered it and I was like fuck, I had already wrote a blog post that night. So, I had two blog posts and so I was happy about that, I'm like okay, I've got two. I'm going to drop those tomorrow. So I'm feeling good about that. I went to sleep and I woke up and immediately some things started happening at the other business, some resistance was overcoming the other business. I'm like fuck, okay, okay we're making some headway here so this is good. I jump right in this, it's like 8:00 in the morning, I jump right into that and start going to mess with my other business.

Patrick: I get caught up with all that and next thing you know 12:00 comes around. I'm slugging, but I had been throughout the day doing tiny things because I'd been, I'm going to post content all day. Today, I'm just going to have a day where I post all content. You know on my Instagram, I'm going to post content throughout the day on my Facebook, I'm going to post whatever. I had just been starting to feel it again. Started to post things and they were getting a lot of engagement on them you know, just things that I would think, I'd post it and just small things you know, not real boring blog posts.

Patrick: Then I drop my blog post on there, sprinkle that because I had that ace up my sleeve, so I drop the blog post, bam. I drop the other blog post, bam. Then it just started to come together, right. Then we rolled right into, right about 12:00 noon or so I took a little nap and then 1:00 PM and then the resistance just started to go down. All just starts to crumble right?

Kat: Yeah.

Patrick: Everything starts going right. I just start banging out all sorts of stuff. Me and Travis ended up doing, we just got done off of a livestream, which generated a lot of new people into our circle and to his audience. I'm jumping on here with you and now this is going, this is a great one right, so just like all the ones that we do. And so, it just started rolling, that's been my day. It just started rolling, and it started out just like you talked about though. It's very sluggish, but it took me till about 1:00 PM till it just started to roll really good, but I stuck with it. I stuck with it, I just kept on thinking I've posted, but it was like bite sized pieces of content that I kept dropping that led up to it.

Kat: Yup. Exactly. Exactly and we talked about this when we were on the phone the other night that was like until 2:00 AM my time, that massive phone call. I said the same thing about when you're working out and it's like the first 10 or 20 minutes or however long, you just feel like fuck this shit. I don't really want to be here, I'm not feeling it. That was me this morning in the ring, I was like oh, fuck. Okay, yeah, I'm here, I'm doing what I need to be doing, but my mind was like why am I here. I'm not really vibing with this and I wish I didn't come today or whatever. You just fucking learn over the years, you figure it out finally when time is passing you by in your life and then you still didn't do the damn shit that you said you were going to do. At some point you just figure the shit out where you're like, oh fuck.

Kat: I can remember, probably five years ago I can remember feeling like I think I was waiting, I thought there would be a point in my life where I would evolve to being a person whose always motivated and always ready, always has the inspired ideas and wants to do the damn thing. I remember one day it just kind of smacked me in the face like a wake-up call where I was like, oh shit, I just realised that for the rest of my life I will still battle resistance because it's part of the human condition. Particularly as an artist, resistance is inherent to being an artist, that's why I wrote this morning about the tortured soul. Probably your blog influenced my post this morning a little bit because you know, like I told you, when I got up in the morning before I journal I always read something. There's only like five people whose shit I'll read and I checked if you posted something new. I checked, you had posted something new so I read your blog and it was full-on. For me I found that full-on to read to hear the voices inside of your head. I was like holy shit that was so raw, it was like everybody should go read that blog. It's on your personal profile right?

Patrick: Appreciate it.

Kat: Go read it. But it was kind of painful to read, I found it kind of painful to read.

Patrick: That's so funny you said that, [crosstalk 00:24:31] somebody messaged me, two people messaged me and they said the exact fucking same thing. They said, "I can't believe that shit. I did not know you wrote like that," and they said that it was painful. I said, "Well, what's painful about it?" It was like, "Well, it's painful to read." Two women you know, so I was wondering why is it painful for you to read it, you know what I mean? That's what I was wondering because I really was thinking about connecting with guys for it you know, more along the lines with the guys.

Kat: Well, for me personally I found it painful to read because I care about you. I was like, that's like hearing somebody that you care about saying that shit about themselves, it's like fuck, it just felt painful for me for that reason. I don't know about what other people's reasons are, but also because I could relate to it. At first, I was thinking this so fucking full-on I can't believe you say that shit inside of your head, I found it shocking.

Kat: Then I was like wait, why do I find it shocking, it's only shocking because you're writing it down because I've said all that same sort of shit to myself many times over as well. In my way, about my own stuff and if people heard the voices inside my head I'm sure they'd be shocked. Like you were taken aback even by me just simply saying that I'm in resistance, right? Now think about the shit that you put in that blog, it was extreme. Well I think that's why at first I was like, this is so full-on, like I felt shocked or upset about it just relevant to you personally, not in a general sense. Then I was like wait, no, it's just because this is a very raw, extreme thing for somebody to write down. I definitely have said so much to inside of my own head.

Kat: Then I loved the way you finished the post like where basically you choose each day, every day you have those voices in your head and then you have the voice that's saying that you can and that you will. Then that is now what you do, you do your damn journaling, you do your content, you're showing up for your business and for your art. That's exactly the same as me and that's what I've always done and that's what I've done to get to this point. Now, for sure I don't have as much of those voices as I used to, it is less because I guess I've proven myself, to myself to whatever degree.

Kat: But it's still here and that's what I think so many people don't understand about me. I'm not, or about anyone, about you as well, you do your livestreams every day, I do my content every day. People then go, oh no well I couldn't be like Patrick or I couldn't be like Kat. They're motivated, they're good on camera or whatever it is, but then go and read what you wrote about how you feel about yourself some of the time. Or if somebody could hear inside of my head and the smack talk that goes on in there. It's about realising that yeah, as you keep going and as time passes it will get easier, and I think you said this in your post, it gets easier because you learn how to deal with it. I feel like I learned how to dance with resistance and I can see it for the bullshit that it is, whereas maybe earlier on in my life I tended to believe it more.

Kat: Now even if I feel like I'm believing it a little bit, I'll be like, yeah, no, I know exactly what's going on here. I do know what the answer is because fucking 20 years of training, of fitness training, has taught me how to get into flow and how to breakthrough resistance and discipline my ass and if you're not dead yet you keep going. Then many, many years in business as well has taught me the same thing, so I always know that the answer is too fucking bad, sit your ass down and do the damn thing. Sometimes it will feel fucking incredible, like today when I wrote my blog I was on the biggest high. I got in the car and I was just slamming my best tunes and then driving down to the fight gym. I was like, this is the best day ever, I'm so in the zone and that's an amazing feeling.

Kat: I wish I could have that feeling every day, but yesterday felt like quicksand day. It doesn't matter right, like some days you'll feel superflow, some days you won't, so the fuck what. Either way you keep going, but for sure because I read your blog first and then normally I read a piece, I read if you write something or [inaudible 00:28:44] or whoever else I read, like such a small handful of people. Then I go into my journaling and then usually I write my blog after that. Today I read your blog first and then it really did impact me a lot, then I went straight into writing my blog, I didn't even do anything on [crosstalk 00:29:00] yet today, which is [crosstalk 00:29:01]

Patrick: Damn, did my blog fuck your day up? Did my blog fuck your day up?

Kat: No, no, it's the opposite because I had to write straight after that.

Patrick: Oh, that's good.

Kat: I went straight into writing that piece, but I was partly responding to you and partly I was thinking about one of my inner circle clients and partly it was for myself. Okay wait, we're going to need to start again because Brandon just jumped on and he asked that we start again. So where we started [crosstalk 00:29:26]-

Patrick: I believe we started without him.

Kat: Was with me dipping the bacon into the Vegemite. We got to start with the bacon and the Vegemite if we're starting from the top.

Patrick: Can we please not?

Kat: Anyway-

Patrick: Brandon dammit, this was a bad day for that. Even though you're eating [crosstalk 00:29:39]

Kat: Yeah, no, [crosstalk 00:29:40] read my blog later you'll see my blog was partly like it's speaking to you and like I was talking to you, but then I was talking to myself, but then I was talking to one of my clients and I told her that. It was just, I kind of love that because something you wrote definitely impacted what I created and what I created will be impacting other people. It's just amazing, it's the collective unconscious.

Patrick: Well I saw your blog post and it jumped out at me. I was like this is something that I have to read, I just saw the title and I can't remember exactly what it said. I just saw it and I was like, I'm going to have to read that later on because I immediately saw it and I was feeling like, I don't know it was kind of geared towards me or something. The words weren't like that, but I just felt that, you know what I mean?

Kat: Yeah, and I knew, usually I don't tell somebody if I write a blog that's skewed towards them because I know you're going to feel it anyway. It's not always, but often I'll be thinking of a particular person when I'm writing. It started off towards you and then it became about me. I thought it was going to be, I thought the post was going to be about honouring and respecting the artist, being like my soul recognises the artist in your soul, that sort of thing. Like the respect that I have for that and then it turned into kind of like a smack down post where I was kicking ass and I think that was at myself. Then at the end I was like fuck, this was not supposed to be about me. Then I brought it back around again and it just came out however it came out.

Patrick: Oh see everything that I read, I'm like thinking, everything I read from you I'm thinking this is to me right.

Kat: Everybody does, especially when I do, I don't know do you get this sometimes or have you had this happen, but if I do a post that's really quite brutal I'll tend to get like 20 people message me and they'll be like, "I know you were talking about me." And I'm like, "Well, if you think that I was, then maybe I was."

Patrick: That could be the case, but I used to think that all the time when I worked for Ryan. I would always say and he'd said if you think, he said the same thing. If you think it is, it is. So, you're right, it's right, in the case if you think it is, it is, right. It's for you, it's for you if you are triggered by the wording. But I wrote mine like a while back and then I didn't feel anything about posting it. When I found it I was like, yes, I found it. I was like I'm going to post this now, no problem. I remember what you told me, it was like you should just not even think about it and just post it. So I posted it and it was apparently like real full-on, people said that.

Patrick: I think that you do, like what I did was I was sitting there facing resistance big time whenever I started to write that. I was facing one of the biggest challenges of my life, which was making our first sale since we went out on our own, and it wasn't happening. It was taking like two weeks, I mean we were in this thing for like two weeks, damn near a month. I was sitting there, and I'm sure I had probably talked to you the night before, something like that. I was writing, I started to write the beginning of it you know, just to start thinking about what kind of shit you say to yourself whenever, or the kind of shit that people say to themselves whenever they're facing that. I really wanted to know, I started thinking about the things that I was thinking at the time.

Patrick: Then I was like, well this is bullshit because this is right around when the shit broke and we made ourselves and everything started to work out for the better. That was when I was really, really getting into it and getting into manifesting and writing and controlling it you know. Right before it happened I just said, I'm just going to take all these things that are being said and I'm just going to go with it. As much as I can I'm just going to just get it all out there. Everything that I hear on the stream of thought, I'm going to just write it down as I go.

Patrick: And so, I did, I just started fucking like turned on some music and I just started. Every one of the resistant thoughts that came through, I just typed as it was coming. I was like this is some fucking creative ass ways to talk shit to myself, you know, of this voice in my head that's talking this shit. Just so creative and the ways it says, the lies it says about you. I just put it down and it was just endless and relentless and didn't stop. I just had to stop it myself you know. It would have just kept going.

Kat: It was relentless. That's how, like I was reading it, I was sitting down at the coffee shop. I was like how fucking long is this going for? It's just getting worse and worse, but that's why it was painful, I was like fuck me, I thought it would be finished now, it's still going? Then I was thinking, I hope there's going to be a reframe at the end of this and it's not just going to finish. And then there was.

Patrick: The end. Your life is horrible. But I got it [crosstalk 00:35:01] it was like an experiment to just fucking just see if it would stop you know, but it wouldn't. I had to stop it myself which I guess you could say something about that. You have to stop that fucking voice yourself. It's not going to stop on its own. You have to stop it because [crosstalk 00:35:21] it's there if you want-

Kat: You have to see it for what it is.

Patrick: Yeah.

Kat: You've got [crosstalk 00:35:25] to see it for what it is. Yeah, it's the devil. We were talking about this on the phone the other night. It's a seduction right?

Patrick: Yes it is.

Kat: Did you read Patrick's post Maria? It's like be prepared to be upset. If anyone reads that post, just be prepared to be upset, but it will be powerful for you. I think that we all think that we're the only ones who have those thoughts. It's natural to feel like if people knew the truth about me, or if people, like I should feel ashamed of myself or whatever. Everybody has those thoughts and then everyone looks at ... Yes, so Maria read your post, she's one of my inner circle clients, she said she was in tears. Exactly, I think for women in particular it's going to upset them. I thought it upset me because I had a personal interest, but I think it probably upsets everyone.

Kat: It was very upsetting because it was so raw, but it's also incredibly healing. That's the sort of blog post that will heal people and probably healed you maybe when you wrote it or maybe by publishing it because it's so raw. That's the point I was trying to make in my blog this morning ... Where can you find this post, just click on, I'll get the link. I'm so helpful. I'll put the link here in the comments. Like I'm fucking up all my shit now.

Kat: It's [crosstalk 00:36:45] like I wrote about this a little bit in my post that you've got to, to impact people, like yesterday I was talking to somebody new who I met about my business. I was explaining how I market, and he's an entrepreneurs as well with four amazing businesses, but a totally opposite sort of entrepreneur to me. We were talking about how the way that I show up on social media is the exact opposite of him. I put as much of myself out there as possible, and he's got as little of himself out there as possible. I was saying my system basically, my marketing is essentially I'll write these three thousand word blog posts every single day. The people who can get to the end of that and watch all my content are clearly, they're my soulmate clients or they wouldn't be sticking around that much. He was like-

Patrick: I like that system.

Kat: Holy shit, big long posts [inaudible 00:37:34] right, but he goes ... Oh yeah there's the blog. He goes, "Yeah, but that wouldn't work anymore would it," or something, or, "That's because you already built that up or something like that?" I'm was like, "No, no, it doesn't matter how crowded the internet is or how crowded Facebook is there is always going to be a space for the true artist to bear their soul." Like since the dawn of time, those of us who are storytellers, messengers and who actually reveal the raw shit inside of us, like what you wrote, was the painful, gritty, even ugly parts of the soul. It's almost like you don't want to look at it directly, it's like staring into the sun. It's too much, it's too intense, it feels too painful. Then at the same time it's magnetising and you can't look away.

Kat: So somebody who can share a piece of their soul like that, like you do and like I do and like many people here do, really are very few people though in the total of the internet marketing world. That person doesn't fucking need to buy their followers like you livestreamed about yesterday and we talked about the other night. Or to worry about a fucking funnel or what's the best strategy or Facebook ads. Nothing wrong with doing your funnels and your whatever right, but it's the cherry on top. Anybody who can release a piece of their soul and is brave enough or willing to do that, will always have people that want to listen because it is a magnet.

Kat: It's just mind blowing to me how so many amazing artists and messengers are out there wasting their lives thinking that the way to build a following or to make money is let me get my fucking funnel right or my strategy or my marketing for whatever bullshit. And let me have a pretty website on the internet and make sure that I have good head shots. Are you kidding me? Why don't you just strip yourself naked and show it to everybody? Your soul, right? That's all it takes.

Patrick: Anybody [crosstalk 00:39:38] can have-

Kat: Being willing to do that even in your own resistance.

Patrick: And there's a lot of ego out there too. It's like everybody's got one of those, so how do you really separate yourself from everybody else. You know what I mean, everybody's got a marketing strategy, everybody's got a marketing plan. Everybody's got an ego, so how do you get that ... I get to talk to people today, I got to talk to somebody because of my blog post. One of my people, one of my people, as I call them true believers. He was going through some serious shit in his life, like some real, real horrifying shit that he told me about that I got to help him through, today. So to me to be able to help in such a way to change somebody's life, to save a life is, fuck, that's more important to me than the other shit.

Patrick: The other shit's stupid and I wouldn't get that far with somebody if I didn't post something like I did, if I didn't say what I was really feeling I wouldn't get to say that. It wouldn't probably connect like that on that level with him. That to me is more rewarding than anything else I could be doing. Even if I have to take, for a while, you know it's going to be a while. I could go out here and make a marketing webinar and be very successful with it and make money off of it you know. I could do that.

Kat: Successful.

Patrick: Yeah, successful. Run traffic to it and do all ... I know how to do all that, I've done it. Or a book funnel or whatever you want to do. Whatever you want to do to make money. Give somebody an irresistible offer, tell them how to double or triple their income, whatever you want to do. That's fine, but understand that anybody can fucking do that. Anybody can do that. If you hold back, if you don't say what's on your mind, if you don't actually share a piece of yourself, then you're not really like an artist I don't think. You know? Then you're just giving people-

Kat: You're not and you have to decide [crosstalk 00:41:46] if you want to be an artist first or a marketer first. Like, you're an amazing marketer, I know a lot about marketing as well. We can both do all that shit. I don't even think anybody can do it, it is still a skillset because plenty of people are trying to fucking do it and they're not doing anything, they're not getting anywhere with it.

Kat: I did read a blog post one time by a mentor of mine from years back and she was like you got to choose, you're either an artist of an entrepreneur, who are you? I was like holy shit, she's right, I'm an artist first. I am an entrepreneur, I am a marketer, I where those hats and I've been an entrepreneur, like it's in my blood, I've been selling shit since I was three years old. But first and foremost I'm an artist. You've got to choose, you can't be in both camps. You can't be like, oh I'm an artist and I share from my soul and I do my soul purpose, but first let me build this pretty little funnel over here and then I'll be ready. It's bullshit.

Kat: Nobody said you need that you needed the internet to get your message out there and to make money. Amazingly enough artist through the history of time have managed to have people fall in love with them without a Facebook page. I know it's mind blowing for everybody and you might need therapy [inaudible 00:42:57] and some sexual healing in order to come to terms with that, but you don't need any of that shit in order to get your message out there. What you do need is to be courageous enough to put the blinders on and just art, art, art, art, art because like we said, you have a true believer client as you call them, I call them my soulmate clients, who comes to you as a result of that post. That person is so connected to you now, there's instant trust, instant deep rapport, they become a longterm client who refer their friends and just be so in love with you and your message because they see themselves in you.

Kat: Most people, you could do an automated webinar and get leads from that, like you said. You could become successful and I say successful like that because even if you were making great money doing that, which of course you could do and you know how to do. You would be, and we've talked about this many times, you would be miserable. You would be hating it, your soul would be dying because it wouldn't be doing your purpose work and you're essentially selling your soul to the wrong clients, the wrong people doing the shit that doesn't light you up.

Kat: Whereas, when you go all in with your art yeah, like most people are going to be horrified at the idea of reading a daily two or three thousand word blog post or listening to a one hour livestream that you do. They're going to think that's crazy, who wants to listen to that. I've had people make fun of me so many times when I've had hater-ship online. Like, "Oh ha ha, who would read all that shit?" I'm like, "Well firstly I don't fucking care if anybody reads it because I'm writing it for me bitch, not for you. Secondly, clearly a few people are fricking reading it if you look at the business that I've created."

Kat: So if somebody is going to read that or watch your webstream or read your post, then they come to you and talk to you, that person is a soulmate client for life. I'd rather 10 people like that than a 100,000 people that are fucking bored on Instagram or got off a webinar.

Patrick: Well there going to fall off, those people are going to like, what people realise is how much of this bullshit that's out there that's the same. People don't show you their refunds, people don't show you their attrition rates. People are dropping off. They don't show you that shit. They don't show you that shit. All they'll show you is-

Kat: Yeah, so true. So true and we talked about that the other night as well. Like my refund rate is like 0.000001%. I'll get like three refunds a year and two of them is because the person accidentally bought the same product twice. They're like shit, I didn't realise I already have it, can you refund me?

Patrick: And I haven't had that one-

Kat: That's not normal, what's the industry rate even? It's like-

Patrick: It's crazy, it's like 30.

Kat: 40 or 50% some of the time.

Patrick: Yeah. Yeah, it's insane. Then people don't say that and then they don't say, they don't talk about you know, affiliates and things like that that they're doing. So numbers are fucking crazy you know what I mean? You can't even get into numbers there's so much bullshit out there. There's so much bullshit out there that you might as well just be truthful and honest and just put yourself out there. I get on here and I've got now these few people that come on, I mean anything that I do, they follow me around for whatever it is that I do. I did something with Travis today, which we did marketing and I dropped a link out there for our funnels and everything. I thought we're going to pull in these new prospects right and these clients for his side of things, you know his new audience and everybody who showed up was my people. They hopped on to see that we were talking marketing, they showed up, popped up.

Kat: They watch you, or my people watch me instead of Netflix. My people say that all the time, they're like, "I can't believe what time it is and I'm still watching your content." That's all you want, but it's also like what we're saying here is your going to get a better result just following your art and making your marketing strategy should be your art. Then let's not forget also the selling of the soul side of it because even if it was true that you could make more money, which I do not believe, by following straight up internet marketing Stepford-preneurship you would be miserable, in sabotage, addicted to whatever shit that's not good instead of addicted to flow. And just not happy right?

Kat: I did it that way, I built my business at first to where it was nearly at a million dollars a year because I did the fucking work and I did the marketing. I was right on the cusp of a million dollars a year in my business. This was in 2012, and I walked away. I shut the whole thing down, I walked away from all of it. I remember saying to my partner at the time, if this is the path to a million dollar business, I don't want it. I cannot do this anymore, I would rather go back to being a personal trainer. I said to him, "I'm going to give myself three months, give me three months. I'm going to prove that I can make money doing what I love, but fuck all that shit, I'm going all in doing what I want. If I don't do it in three months then I'll just go back to the gym and I'll be a trainer again because I know how to make a lot of money doing that."

Kat: Well, I didn't do it in three months anyway, I ended up over $100,000 in debt and blew the whole thing up. Then eventually, eventually, I stayed though, I stuck to it and now look where I am because I've experienced what it's like to make good money by selling my soul. I mean, it's your life right, you want to be, this is like right now we're not really selling anything, but this is content. This is us filling ourselves up with our art and our craft. Even though we're not directly making an offer, how many people are becoming soulmate clients or true believer clients of each of us right now because of this content. Then we drop a link or we keep saying we're going to start recoding our personal phone calls and sell them. People are going to fucking buy that shit, like who wants to buy the recorded phone calls of when we talk to two or three hours-

Patrick: I do.

Kat: Because that shits gold, but sometimes we've got to keep it private. But, we'll figure it out.

Patrick: Yeah, we got to keep some things private, a little bit, a little bit. Those are like extreme, super, super VIP shit. But Helen makes a good point, Helen's asking a good question here though, she says, "I get what you're saying," but she's surrounded by true artists putting themselves out there every day and never make any money, what would you say about that?

Kat: Okay. Okay. Good, I'm so glad I asked this.

Patrick: I like that one, yeah.

Kat: I was ready to preach on this. I'm going to need a love heart shout-out first, send me the love hearts. Then I'll bring the [crosstalk 00:49:37] Kat show.

Patrick: Can I do it to? [crosstalk 00:49:37]

Kat: Can you do it too? Everybody shower me with the love heart. Oh there they come, thank you.

Patrick: Shower.

Kat: All right. I already answered these same questions to two or three clients earlier today when I was answering my client audios, so I'm prepared and I'm ready. Here's the thing right, money, money is just a decision and a choice right? Like yesterday I bought a new car, I'm also getting a new house and a few other things all at once. It is a big deal, I'm excited to get the car, I feel good about it. Yeah, there's some ego attached to it for sure because I feel like yeah, look at my badass car, but at the same time I don't need that in order to be happy or fulfilled right, I'm detached from it. When they didn't give me exactly what I wanted at the dealership I just left. I wasn't doing that as a strategy, I was like okay, I'm not attached, this is what I want, if you can't give it to me I'm leaving. I got in the car and drove away and of course, they called me eight minutes later and gave me what I wanted.

Patrick: Sorry guys.

Kat: Either way I [crosstalk 00:50:40]

Patrick: I used to be one.

Kat: But, yeah, you know how it works. I [inaudible 00:50:45] I'm leaving. And I literally was about to sign and then I just put the pen down, I'm like look I've got to go. I'm going to go see the house, I left. What I'm trying to say though is, I don't need the car, I'm not emotionally attached to the car in order to feel good enough, in order to feel worthy, in order to feel like I'm now complete and whole. The thing that fills you up and lights you up and gives you your sense of freedom and completeness and your happiness, your source of all things is being true to yourself and doing your art right? So then for the money, to me the car is the same sort of thing, whether it's a car, whether it's do I want to buy the fancy Voss water, whatever it is. It's just a decision, so I can choose the car or not choose the car, either way I'm whole and I'm complete, but am I going to choose the car, yeah it's fucking badass, it's a hot, sexy car. I'm going to choose the car because I like it and I can have it.

Kat: Same as with money. Get out of the idea that there needs to be an emotional attachment around money, it's only money. Choose it or don't choose it, it's infinitely available. Like you can choose am I going to wear pants or a skirt today, it doesn't matter, why get emotionally attached to it, but it's always available. That's how I feel about money. One of the courses a I made in 2014 when I first figured this out for myself was called, "It's only money honey." I called the course, "It's only money honey," one of the best courses I've ever made, because it was like a slap in the face wake up call where I suddenly realised, fuck, I've been making it this really emotional thing. Like am I good enough for money, am I worthy for money. Imagine we did this right, like am I good enough for the Voss water, am I worthy of this, what are people going to think of me? Does this add to my value if I have this amazing water? Either just pick it up off the shelf or don't. It doesn't matter.

Kat: And so that was like a breakthrough for me to go oh shit, money is just a decision, decide how much you want. Expect it the same way if you're in a restaurant and you put your order in, you know I'll have a steak and broccoli, you expect it, you assume it's going to turn up. You don't go into the kitchen and be like, am I good enough for this? Do you guys think I'm worthy of the steak, can I really have that? Is it being prepared and will I get it? You just order your fucking meal and then you sit down and you wait for it and you expect that it's going to show up. Then meanwhile you're in the now, being present with whoever you're with.

Kat: Same with money, decide it. It's a decision. When you get out of the emotional attachment around money being a reflection of your worth or being something that's going to save you, then you'll realise that it's just something you decide. But you fret now, you think that money would make you more worthy or it's going to save you or it will fill you up or it will make you happy. Or you'll be, yeah, safer in some way or a better person in some way. Then you'll continue to keep it at arm's length because you're trying to validate yourself and you're trying to find your safety and security from something outside of you, which is not possible.

Kat: The lesson is you need to decide ... Did I just get invited to go to a cruise? Somebody's just invited me to go on their birthday cruise and I don't even know this person. I'm just magnetic as fuck.

Patrick: It's your most active follower it looks like.

Kat: I don't even know who that is. Hi, [Taveda 00:54:01] I can't, I can't go. I've got something on, but thank you.

Kat: So, yeah, it's about realising it's a decision. If artists are out there and they're broke, maybe they're buying into the broke artist story, but maybe, maybe, and probably, they're in some way basing their self-worth on their financial situation and/or thinking to themselves that if I just had that money, then I'd be safe. Then I'd be good enough, then I'd be a worthy or a valid person. It's the same as love. You'll never find love when you think oh that person is going to make me feel like then I'm good enough, then I'm worthy, then I'm attractive, then I'm whatever.

Kat: You got to figure that shit out right, like otherwise you'll just continue to hold that deep connection at arm's bay. When you realise you've already got everything inside of you and of course you can choose the money because abundance is infinite. Or of course you can choose to receive love because it is available. Or of course you can choose to have the body you want or whatever and you don't need it, well like you can need it and not need it at the same time, we've talked about that. But either way, you already get your completeness inside of yourself.

Kat: Does that make sense? Did I just ramble in 49 different directions at once?

Patrick: Pretty much, but I'm feeling it, I'm catching it. So, you're saying then somebody who is a starving artist, they're buying into it, which that makes sense to me. There's a lot of things that people out here buy into because that's just what people say. You know, oh you're a starving artist. Oh, you're not going to make any money. That's what they say, but how much of this shit is rooted in fact, it's just something that somebody said. You know, there's a lot of shit like that that's out there, but you have to, you know, you can't cuss if you want to make money online. You know, there's a huge one right-

Kat: Really? Fuck, that's rude.

Patrick: Yeah, how rude. There's all these things that they say. You have to, what else do they say, you know, you already have to have made this much amount of money before you can make any money online. You can't help anybody unless you've hit this, unless you've achieved these goals. You know, you have to have a book. All sorts of crazy shit that's just not true, but people will buy into. There's so many limitations being sold to everybody out here and they're constantly buying into them. I see what you're saying about that, it makes sense because if they're thinking that I'm an artist and I'm not making money or that I'm just going to be an artist, I'm not making money that's fine because that's just what it is.

Patrick: Yet, you're on here, I'm on here and we're doing it. There, you in the back.

Kat: I have a question. My question is do you think that sometimes artists/entrepreneurs, that there's ego attached to being the starving artist? Like there's an element of look at me suffer? It's almost like a badge of honour that I'm the starving artist, do you think that sometimes people are toting themselves back to that?

Patrick: I'm doing it. I'm doing it. You know you get in this thing where you're like, I mean I've seen people do this too, and I do this, I'm guilty. I like the story okay, I like the story. I could have, I mean I'm sure if I opened myself up for it more and just said that it's going to be super easy and that it's just going to happen and everything's going to come to me. I'm just going to go in the superflow and do what you said and just go all in on this thing and have it happen. It's just going to boom, the doors are wide open.

Patrick: When I did my first programme I sold a bunch of my first programme right. For me that was a lot to sell as much as I did. That was not even fully half assing it, that was like 10% of what I could have really done, of me going all in because I'm running like two businesses right now. There's the story that if I just got away from this one thing, it would just go so much fucking easier and everything would just happen you know. Instead, I'm choosing to build the story and now I'm going to be able to have the little ego and look back on this thing and be like, I struggled so hard when is first started out and you can go track it.

Patrick: I've got that in my head, that's programmed in my head from something I've learned from somebody else. You know that you got to step your way up. You work your way up if you want to get there, you can't just [inaudible 00:58:29] you got to work your way up. So, I feel [crosstalk 00:58:33] that same way, I get-

Kat: It's so interesting because ...

Patrick: Go ahead.

Kat: No you go ahead.

Patrick: No, my train of thought just ... Just took a shit.

Kat: Well, here's the truth right. I am proud of myself, I have ego and pride, not, I don't mean I shouldn't have, but there is, for me there is ego attached to I know what I fucking went through to build this business. I do feel maybe a bit superior about the fact that I know full well that most people would not do what I did and that they will not choose to be tough enough. I like feeling like I'm the one who can get knocked down again and again and again and look at me bitches, I'm still getting back up again. It relates a lot to all my fitness stuff and like I always wanted to be the most badass hardcore chick in the gym and I would definitely get triggered if I saw another chick who was training harder than me. Then it would bring me up to speed right, I would then become friends with them. Then it would be like it's on.

Kat: In business, I definitely have pride that comes from yeah, I did go through so much fucking shit and I just kept getting up and every time I felt like I was on the floor and I couldn't get up again, it was that thing of are you dead yet though? No, then keep going. I do like it, I get off on it.

Patrick: There you go.

Kat: You know, you said this earlier on in the call, you said to me what we had spoken about on the phone the other night, about how I said to you I've gotten a little bored because the truth is I had my, I think I told you this, I told my private clients. I'm sure I told you this on the phone, I had my biggest income month ever last month in May. I haven't even published it or anything, well I told my private clients about it and I did a livestream talking about the mindset of that. But it was my biggest income month ever and it was like I feel proud of it. I feel likes that's cool, but did I get a rush from it, did I get an adrenaline kick, no. To be honest, and I know what I'm going to say now is going to make a lot of people want to throw shit at me, if you're going to throw shit I like Guylian Seashell Chocolates or Chanel, you can throw Chanel.

Patrick: Or Vegemite. Throw [crosstalk 01:00:52] poo.

Kat: But, it's very [crosstalk 01:00:52]. I got that all sorted already.

Patrick: Fling a little poo.

Kat: I just, it's easy for me to make money online and I mean look, it doesn't mean I can't relate to and resonate with where people are at in their journey and their struggle. It hasn't been that long ago where was over 100K debt, struggling and that went on for a long time. I know how to break through that and that's how I support my clients, but it's not a rush for me to, like even if I do a launch that would make an insane amount of money, I would be like that's awesome, but also, I just expect it. I'm not doing to get an adrenaline rush from it in the same way that if I cook an amazing steak, and I do cook an amazing steak, I'm not going to be like oh my God, I can't believe it, this is the biggest rush ever. I mean of course it tastes fucking amazing, I know how to cook steak. Of course the launch made that much money, I know how to make money online.

Kat: What we had spoken about and this relates to what I'm saying here is, well where do I get my rush from now. Where do I get my adrenaline from because I am that person. It wasn't just that I was proud of myself for getting up again and again every time I got knocked down, it's that I do get off on it. I enjoy it, I like being like, you know, put through, I like the pain. I like purposeful pain and I feel so alive. Like the training session which I spoke about, which I did this morning was the hardest I've gone. I had to ease back into it obviously with my training after my surgery, but so today was the hardest that I've gone since then. I was dying and then within a second of it being over, or anytime I felt more knocked around, I'm smiling at the same time. I'm like this is so fucking good, it's fucking amazing. I crave that, I want it.

Patrick: And you desire it because at this stage in the game you know that all these rules are bullshit. The fact that you have to, I had only $30 in my account when I started out, to get customers, to get clients, to get your soulmate clients is bullshit. You would be able to attract them without that fucking story. You know? You don't need, that story doesn't [crosstalk 01:03:05]

Kat: Totally.

Patrick: I don't think it brings people, I don't [crosstalk 01:03:07]-

Kat: Right. And I don't even tell my [crosstalk 01:03:09] yeah. Even I told you parts of my story like when we were on the phone the other night and you didn't even know some of it because I just don't talk about it that much. I have and I do if I get interviewed and stuff, but I don't use that for my marketing. I use my art for my marketing. I just use self-expression for my marketing. Like you said, I don't need the fucking story, but what I do need is, I need to feel lit up, alive. Maybe you're right that yesterday I created resistance to knock me around and make me feel shitty so that today I could then create the contrast and today I'm on fire.

Kat: There's more to it than that, like I think, yeah, I do think sometimes for people who haven't broken through on money yet. Or if you've experienced this, if you're a person who can make a little money and then you're like, yeah I'm riding high. Then it just disappears again and you crash up and down, I know a lot of people do that. I did that for years, I would make quite a lot of money and then I'd be like, where is it? Why am I broke again? What's happening? I did that roller coaster for years.

Kat: I finally cracked that quota, I figured it out and I teach my clients this all the time. Because I was addicted to the ego and the adrenaline of when your back's against the wall and you don't know if you're even going to be able to buy food that day or God forbid even coffee. Then you just, like a magician, you pull a rabbit out of a hat because you're forced to, you're so back against the wall and you're going to lose, then you just make magic. You're smashing through and you create and you save yourself, but actually what really happened was you got to experience the adrenaline and the power of creation, which is what you're born for. Then when you make the money, on a subconscious level your mind is like, well now where am I getting my kicks from basically. Where's my adrenaline rush, where's my thrill, where's that feeling of power and pride and ego ... Travis says that's so me dammit. I [crosstalk 01:05:15]

Patrick: Yeah, Travis fuck you man [crosstalk 01:05:15]

Kat: Travis, Travis was preaching on his livestream this morning, I was [crosstalk 01:05:20]

Patrick: I'm your business partner bitch, damn. He's not cool.

Kat: But any of us that have, especially people with a fitness background do this a lot, but I think in general just driven, entrepreneurial people do do this. Where you crash it down because you want the fucking ego rush and the adrenaline rush of having to figure it out. There is a sense of ego in there in that, look at what I just did and other people [inaudible 01:05:46] be able to do that. We've got to find a way to replace that adrenaline and not get your kicks from crashing your money up and down.

Kat: That's what I had to do, I had to figure out okay, I've got to just decide to make the money because it's like the water or the steak or the car, I can just choose it or not choose it, it's not a big deal. Don't attach my adrenaline and my self-worth and my emotions to the money. Make it like I'm going to find that shit from inside of me.

Patrick: Where do you recommend the start is on that though because that is like one of the things I'm always talking about and the conclusion I've come to is like you know, there's no wrong way to do this shit. There's no wrong way to do it because you're writing your story, you're having fun while you do it. Maybe you're addicted to this up and down, you know, maybe you're addicted. Like you said, the ego, maybe you're tied to your ego, but that's still doesn't make it wrong that's just how you're choosing to live it. That's how you're choosing to write your story, but for those that are tired of that shit, that want to do it because like you said, if you live a life of super ease, where it's just totally easy, then it's probably going to get kind of boring. How do you replace that, how do you replace that part? That adrenaline rush?

Kat: Well that's what we, I told you about that the other night, I'm still figuring that out. I mean I've replaced it in like there's been ways that I have replaced it many times over the years since I started figuring out money shit. Now I realise I need something more. I'm never going to be done, we're never going to be done with wanting a new challenge or something to strive for. There are some entrepreneurs out there, the boring ones, whose goal is to get their business to a point where it's automation. Then they can sit on their ass on their couch all day long, and that's their end goal. I literally once heard somebody say that her goal was to automate her business so that she could just watch Netflix all day and that was her end goal. That was the point at which [crosstalk 01:07:58] as a friend.

Patrick: A fucking social [crosstalk 01:08:01]-

Kat: Yeah, like she said that, word for word.

Patrick: You can get a social security check and sit at home and fucking do Netflix.

Kat: Right. It was in a group that I was in with women entrepreneurs, this was like five, six years ago. Actually when I joined the group I was one of the more entrepreneur [crosstalk 01:08:18] babies of the group. I was lower level and like these were women that I looked up too. Then I was kind of stepping into my power I guess and realising that I'm not like them. Then there was this discussion in the group that was literally about that. It wasn't like one woman said it, but then three or for agreed. Like yeah, that's what I want, I want to be with my kids and I want to be able to watch Netflix all day and just enjoy my life. I was like, I'm out, I literally just knew at that point that I need to stop even being in this environment and learning from people like this. And yesterday somebody said to me, "Well what's your exit plan with your business Kat?" I just looked at him and I was like, "Death. My exit plan is death. When I die is when I'm going to stop."

Patrick: Right.

Kat: I don't even know how to answer that question because I'm not doing it for money. When I realised that is when money started to come in as well by the way, just on a side note. To answer your question, try and answer your question.

Patrick: [inaudible 01:09:14]

Kat: [crosstalk 01:09:16] like [crosstalk 01:09:17] I think it's, yeah, I think it's just the key to having the fun and the adventure and the adrenaline is, you'll get it because you fucking decided to right. I noticed three or four years ago that I really wasn't having fun in my life, like I was all about business and I guess whatever else, but I was not in a great period in my life in terms of my internal happiness and flow. I just started to set an intention like I'd write it in my journal, every day I still write this, I have so much fun and adventure in my life. Another thing I started to write maybe two years ago or a year and a half ago was, I laugh and have so much fun in my business every day and now I do. Like you see me on, or even here, I'm having fun, I'm always laughing on my livestream. Sometimes I'm completely being fool [inaudible 01:10:04] idiot and clown and I'm having the most hilarious time ever.

Kat: That came from an intention, but what I desire now, what I've noticed and what we spoke about the other night is I definitely want, well we were going to go and climb that volcano. I want, I don't know, some bigger adventures, like that's my intention now. I do feel like I've got a lot of day-to-day adventures. I do a lot of really random shenanigan type shit in real life with friends or sometimes with clients. I have a lot of fun, but it's almost like I want a mission or I want something that's, I don't know, it will come to me. I'm not concerned about it, I was worrying about it for a little bit and then I was like, let it go, it'll happen when you just decide that it will happen. So my intention is now I have epic adventures with badass cool people and do crazy shit all the time. That will just be my new thing that I write in my journal and then it will come true. Next thing you'll see me like on top of a mountain naked drinking Budweiser and dancing in the moonlight. That'll be my next livestream adventure.

Patrick: I get a lot of-

Kat: And actually it's [crosstalk 01:11:07]

Patrick: What's up Ashley? I get a lot of inspiration from younger, people like 18, 20 you know, just the way that they do things. I was listening to this commercial, was talking about this on my last livestream, that they just don't give a fuck. That are just out there getting into these adventures and doing these things. I was listening to this radio, this commercial, there was a commercial on the radio and it was coming from the viewpoint of this old rock t-shirt. You know, it was a Goodwill commercial, I don't know if you have Goodwill over there. Basically donate to people in need, right.

Patrick: So it's a commercial about donating your [crosstalk 01:11:49] yeah, so donating your old rock t-shirt to Goodwill because you don't wear it anymore. It was like from the viewpoint, the commercial was from the viewpoint of the rock t-shirt, and the t-shirt's basically saying things like, "Hey, we had some good times brother. Remember when you crowd surfed with me brother? Now you don't and now you can just take me to Goodwill." I was thinking of that commercial, I was thinking to myself, you know, why wouldn't he crowd surf anymore? I know it's kind of abstract or whatever, but why the fuck wouldn't he crowd surf anymore? Imagine like why would he stop doing that? If you were 17 or 18, imagine, that was probably the time of his life when he crowd surfed.

Patrick: Now here he is what, 30 years old, 40 years old or whatever and he's going to go donate [crosstalk 01:12:37]-

Kat: He's not even old.

Patrick: It to Goodwill. Yeah, he's not even fucking old right, because you just get better with time. And so he's going to go donate the shirt to Goodwill when he could just instead go, and I know it's a commercial and it's all made-up or whatever, but there's also, you know there's truth behind this, it's what people do right. They go and get rid of the things and toss away these old things. You had fun motherfucker.

Patrick: I remember the first concert I ever went to, what an adventure, couldn't get in. Climbed up to the top of the thing, climbed to the top of a building, scaled the top of a building and looked over the side. That was an adventure.

Kat: I did that. Yeah.

Patrick: It's like I'm seeing its good to go back in time and try to get back into your youth. All this other shit, all these people beating you down and holding you back. When I was a kid, all I would ever talk about was, when I was a young kid, all I would ever talk about was going on adventures. Going on adventures, that's what I wanted to do when I was a kid. I remember it clear as day, I was constantly asking my mom, "When's the next adventure? Are we going on an adventure wherever we go?"

Patrick: All those are out there and then these people I see they get to this level of success in their life and then they're just not doing any of this. Or they go maybe take like a vacation, one vacation a year maybe two vacations and their not even having fun there. They're sitting there like, you know, fucking doing what everybody else is doing. And so-

Kat: They're just drinking and calling that a good time. Nothing wrong with drinking, but that's like their entire fun bubble is I had cocktails by a pool in a fancy place, so now my life must be fun.

Patrick: Right.

Kat: Do you think also, like a lot of people have bought into a bullshit belief that in order to be a good adult or a good entrepreneur or a good partner, that that means somehow that means you've got to lose your sense of fun and adventure or even silliness?

Patrick: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kat: Like I get people give me shit, I've seen people give me shit like she's buzzed on her livestreams or I saw you saying this, you were drinking on your livestream the other day. You were doing, making your funny little voices that you do, like being somebody who's making fun of you. I've had people say that to me like, "Oh that Kat chick, she just wastes my time. She's buzzed on her livestream, so she's being an idiot," or, "She never gets to the point," stuff like that. So people think that means it's wrong or bad, well, I know for sure that a lot of my soulmate clients who buy all my shit on repeat. Yes, they love my deeper message and the preaching and the inspiration and the empowerment, but how they love the silliness and the fun and the irreverence and the shenanigans.

Kat: I swear to God people join a lot of my programmes just so that they can come in and be like, where's the naughty bit, where's the shenanigans, where's the fun. We're always doing, there's always naughtiness. Then people know that they can say any fucking thing in my groups and it's never going to be inappropriate. Or when my clients come around or I go to stay with them that we get up to all the crazy shit, but that's what we want. Why can you not have it all? Who the fuck decided that being a proper adult means that you've got to be serious and be like this? The exact opposite is true that more that you clown around the more you get ... Yes, question from this person in the freezing cold snow.

Patrick: Well I want to say this to, and I'm not bashing anybody, but I want to say this. There's a lot of coaches out here and they model the same thing. They model four things, whatever the fuck it is, you know, I'm not going to, you all know what they are. Which is your body, your fitness, your finances, all that stuff. Okay.

Kat: I was like, I don't know.

Patrick: Yeah, well okay, well [inaudible 01:16:29] this is not pointed at anybody, but there's a model, there's pretty much a model for a lot of people use the same model okay. Basically [crosstalk 01:16:37] faith, fitness, finances and ... Faith, family, fitness, finances, basically four of those, yeah. One thing that they always leave out is fucking-

Kat: Fun.

Patrick: Adventure and fun. It's always conveniently left out of there you know. Like it's one thing that I noticed they're always missing and that's what I want because I've seen this. You've got to go watch the movie Hook to get this, to really drive this point home. The dude, Robin Williams plays Peter Pan and he's old as fuck now, not he's old as fuck, it's like he's in his 50s or 40s or 50s. He's a lawyer, he's fat, you know he's let himself go. You know, he's just a real prick and his kids are trying to play with him, he yells at them. Then he goes to Neverland and he figures out how to get these happy thoughts back and to get back to himself. Get back to where he's feeling like he's free again you know?

Kat: Yeah.

Patrick: So I loved this movie when I was growing up. Now that I see all these stick in the ass motherfuckers and I'm like dude, I don't want to be that way. I'm trying to get-

Kat: So boring.

Patrick: To a level of life, I'm trying to enter my best self so I can go on adventures. So I can go have fucking fun, so I can go and enjoy myself. So I can remember the day because I don't remember these fucking days where everything is the same. I don't remember these days where everything is just fucking the same and not in this bullshit. I don't give a fuck how much money is in my bank, I've had money and I've had no money. I mean, like your mental state is going to be the same either way. You have material shit, you don't have material shit. You know what I'm saying, you've got to adjust yourself and figure out what you really want to do, but these people are getting by, beside the fact, so many people are out there saying that you shouldn't have fun. Are saying that you shouldn't go on adventure, you shouldn't do this.

Kat: Well they tell you off. They tell you off for being inappropriate.

Patrick: You're inappropriate, exactly. Exactly. And that you can't speak your, like it's so many fucking limitations that put on. I don't understand this addiction to limitations, especially from people who are saying that you shouldn't have limitations. Yet they're just so fucking limited. How would you, I see these people every day in the same fucking places, the same places. We see a lot of these people with money and a lot of people with success, they're in like, and this is another thing. I get this limitation to because I think whenever I speak like this, this is how bad it is, whenever I speak like this I get the resistance in my mind telling me that people are going to see this and they're going to, "Well Pat's a fucking hippie. Pat's not going to guide me to riches and success, riches and bitches and everything in between. He's not going to do it because he's thinking like a hippie."

Patrick: No, I'm going to call money in just like everybody else. I'm going to call as much as I need to live, to be as free as I fucking want and to create my art. Believe that and that's going to be a lot, I'm going to need a lot of freedom to do that shit that I want to do. To live how I want to live. To be fucking Peter Pan, that's what I'm going to have to do. So it's going to be a lot, so yeah, so I will guide that way, but these motherfuckers [crosstalk 01:19:48]-

Kat: And you're speaking truth from the soul. People can feel that it's coming from the soul and when people listen to you, like when I listen to that, my soul says yes. I know people here are like, "Fuck yes," because you're saying shit that we and we are not like the other entrepreneurs and we don't desire to be. So if you're accidentally trying to follow the Stepford entrepreneur fucking business in a box bullshit system because somebody's managed to convince you that that's where you're going to get a following and some money from, just slap yourself up the face a little bit and remember who you fucking are. You're not like them and you don't want to be like them, so why the fuck are you acting like them?

Kat: Be with the crazy ones, be with the irreverent ones, be with the ones who don't give a fuck. And anyway, not giving a fuck doesn't even mean you don't give a fuck, it means you give so much of a fuck about what's inside of you that you're willing to not give a fuck about what anybody thinks. They, they, the people who we find boring as hell, oh what, they think we're being inappropriate because we might be buzzed on a livestream or saying stupid shit. Or making it about fun and adventure rather than serious business. They are so deluded because they don't even realise that what magnetically attracts people to people like us, it is when we let ourselves be all of us. That's attractive, it's magnetic. It doesn't matter what age somebody is, everybody's still got that kid inside of them that wants to go on adventures and have fun and do stuff where it's, oh, should we be doing this? Let's do it.

Patrick: Yeah.

Kat: I've said to my clients many times, I make business fun again. That happened when I started to let myself have fun again. There's so much stuff I do in my business where I'm giggling behind the scenes. Could be with my sister or brother who work in the business, or it could be with you or with clients or whoever. It's like, oh this is a bit fucked up or it's definitely not appropriate, I'm definitely going to do it. Then that's always the stuff I for sure, when I do shit like that, where I'll have a soulmate client come along, drop whatever amount of money to be in the inner circle or join my shit. They're like, "I don't even care what you're selling Kat. I just read that blog or watched that livestream where you did whatever crazy fucked up thing and I knew that I had to be part of it."

Kat: And so, anytime you find yourself getting juiced by the idea that you've got to be like that, you really need to just give yourself a good smack in the face with a cold fish and get back to being who you are in the first place.

Patrick: A cold fish.

Kat: That's an expression from my father. My father says, "Do you want a smack in the face with a cold fish?" When your being silly, when you're not being yourself, I don't why he says that, but it's good.

Patrick: Yeah, I see it all the time though. These people live in boxes, you know. It's live in a box, you don't have to put on your thing like two seconds and I'll watch it and I see them in a box. You know, I mean they live in a box.

Kat: There's no soul.

Patrick: And what I like about-

Kat: There's no soul. Who the fuck decided business shouldn't have soul? Who decided that?

Patrick: Well people do. I don't know what it is, I guess limitation sells. I don't fucking know, it must sell, it must sell. I think in a lot of cases limitations do sell, people are highly interested in some kind of strategy that limits everything about their life. I have no idea. Or just sucks all the fun out of it, you know. Then you go on to just then pretend like its everything that you, well you've got to save face right. You gotta save face, you invested all this money, you built your entire business on limitations so you're certainly not going to say that it's not fun, right? You're going to ... But yet you don't want to fucking hang out with your client.

Kat: Oh yeah, I'm having the best time ever.

Patrick: You want to get as far away from your clients as physically possible. You don't have any friends, nobody really likes you. You would rather stay, you don't want to spend any time with them outside of them paying you money and then getting the fuck out of your face. You know what I'm saying? So, that's the shit that I've noticed. I've been around this industry for a while now and I've noticed this shit. It's not appealing to me in the fucking least bit. Not one fucking bit is it appealing to me. I'm going to do it my own way and I've been told to do it several different, all different types of ways that you can think about. Every way except for my way I've been told to do it, and so yeah, so fuck that.

Kat: I've told you [inaudible 01:24:35]

Patrick: You told me to do it my way, so yes, so that's why I'm constantly hanging out with you. So yeah, I only hang out with people who encourage me to do it my way.

Kat: Yeah, you should only have people in your life who make you feel more of who you are, not less than. It's an easy filter, just go through your friends list in your head or clients, people in your life. Maybe it's going to be a little bit trickier if it's someone you're in a relationship with, but too bad. People are either adding to you and allowing you to be more of what you are, or you're becoming less than who you are from being around that person. Doesn't matter what your fucking pros and cons are of the relationship, whatever kind of a relationship it is. It's very, very simple, you're either becoming expanded and more of who you are from that person or less than.

Kat: I believe it should be the same with all people. Like even today one of my private clients who pays me at the highest level and has unlimited access to me, actually confessed to me that she doesn't reach out to me as often as what she maybe would because she worries that it's going to bother me, right, she doesn't want to bother me. I was like, "Listen I'm going to remind you of something you already know, I only work with clients who expand me. I'm never bothered, firstly I'll do what I want to do all day and I'll only check in on messages when it suits me anyway. So no need to worry about interrupting me because I don't have the notifications on. Secondly, I only work with you because hearing from you and talking with you expands me." I don't coach people to make fucking money at all and I haven't done that for years, but I did used to and then I learned all this. Or I used to, to whatever degree, I was always good, but now I only do things that elevate and expand me.

Kat: So when I'm listening to an audio message from a private client or I'm talking to them or on the phone or any of my trainings that I'm doing in my own business, I'm becoming elevated like that. Sometimes I feel like, somebody should report this, how the fuck am I getting away with this? Not only to I get to speak to such badasses all day every day, and I get to preach to them all day and I'm still that little girl that wants everyone to just shut up and listen to her. Now not only am I doing all that and everybody listens to me, and I can put on a show any time and everyone wants to watch, but on top of it you guys are paying me for that. How the hell did I pull this shit off? It's amazing.

Patrick: And they're expanding you right, they're giving you, like they're opening your mind to things right?

Kat: Yeah. Yeah and I get content ideas or programme ideas. I get a buzz. For sure anytime if I am feeling a bit stuck or flat or low I know one of the best things that I can do is help somebody else who's a soulmate person in my life. Listen to a message from them, give them a reply or give them some sort of empowerment or motivation or encouragement. That's great because I'm helping someone and that's good for my business or whatever, but actually I'm the one who gets the benefit of that, or, well we both do, we all do.

Patrick: Yeah, for sure. They get tonnes of it, but I started feeling that way especially when I get on one-on-one calls. I've had two and I was just like so excited to get on the call with them because I was like I'm going to learn so much. I'm going to get so much out of this that it's pretty crazy, it's pretty crazy how it's set up, but I did manifest that. Just like you were saying, journal, you write exactly what you're looking for. I did, I did write that, I wrote I want to get as much value from them, I want it to change my life and my perspective on life. Or my clients change my perspective on life, they change the way that I look at things and expand my mind and how I see things for the better. And get me closer to becoming my best self. I put that down and that's sure as fuck what happened, so I would get very, very excited when I would get on the call with them. You know, right before I'd get on the call with them I'd be like this is going to be so amazing. And it was, it was amazing.

Kat: It's so amazing. It's just such a gift to get to even connect with people like that. Every time I get to see my clients in person I just have the most epic fun time ever. I walk away elevated and expanded and upgraded in an internal sense or spiritually even, but also we always do really fun stuff wherever we are in the world. I'm doing 4th of July in the U.S. for example and several of my clients will be there, but I'm like are they clients or are they like my best soul [inaudible 01:29:16] friends, it's the same. It's one and the same. I know we'll have an epic day.

Kat: I know for a lot of coaches, when they speak to their clients it's like how quickly can I get this done or what is the minimum amount of time that I can spend with people to get the maximum amount of money. Then if you would do a social thing like a dinner or whatever it would be like because it adds value. Whereas for me, I'm like we end up sitting in the restaurant with my clients till it would get closed down, then we're doing the social stuff because you want to do it, not because you think that it's a fucking value add. And it's, you know I become good friends with all my clients.

Kat: That's available for everybody, but the thing is that you can only do that and create a business like that when you're willing to be completely yourself. Because as soon as you're trying to fit in that box, whatever the four things are that you said, this is what I teach and this is how I teach it and you should do this, then you can be successful like me. Look how successful I am and then I go home and cry myself to sleep in my sad little life. Or sabotage myself to sleep or whatever. You've got to drop all of that, the only way you're going to get to where it's total flow and fun and you genuinely love all your clients is by being fully you. If you build a business with a mask on then guess what, you're stuck with a fucking mask on otherwise the whole thing will come crashing down. You should crash it down. It would be a [crosstalk 01:30:39] to do.

Patrick: Should. Should-

Kat: Crash it the fuck down.

Patrick: But I don't really think those businesses crash down as much as they should. I think people trap themselves into those prisons and then they just stay there you know? They get nice and comfy and they just live out the rest of their days there. What a horrifying existence. To me that's fucking horrifying that you created all of this-

Kat: And then they build a facade.

Patrick: And you know, people know who the fuck you really are. There's people around, people close to you who know who the fuck you are. They know that you are, I mean just witnessing this, like you're full of shit. That you're not happy, you're not the happy-go-lucky person you project. There's people out there that know this shit. That being said, for me to see that, for me to know that, to see that first hand and witness this thing, I'm grateful for the experiences that I've had. Being able to be immersed in this thing as much as I have and to have as much experience to be able to see it. You could be outside, because if I was trying to do this from outside and I was just looking in, then I just came into this thing and somebody was telling me here's the steps. Here's the map to get there, then I just took it at face value for what it was and took it and fucking ran with it and built a business off of it. Like this shit gets deep you know, could you imagine building your entire business with a fucking mask on and then just having to live there. If you took it off the whole thing would just crumble around you.

Patrick: Do you think it would crumble around for somebody like that or do you think it would stay the same? I mean the people would have to shake up, like everybody that you attracted with this mask on would have to, the whole thing would have to rearrange in some way, some how. What do you think?

Kat: I think some people manage to get away with continuing to make money when they're completely with a mask on and out of alignment. Some people can keep their so-called success for their entire lives, but at what cost right? Like yeah, it's possible to keep a business together behind a mask, but then if you suddenly stripped that mask off, I think it's not as scary as what people think it is. I did it, I mean I don't feel like I had a big mask on because I still was enjoying myself and I was doing work that I knew was good work and made a difference. I was having a good time, but I was not letting it all out like I do now, not even 1%. Then I did strip the mask off and I wrote an email and I said, "Why you should consider unsubscribing from my list." I wrote about look, here's reality, people keep saying to me, "You've changed Kat, or whatever, haven't fucking changed, I just wasn't being the real me. Here's what you can now expect from me. If you don't like it you should leave." Not many people left is the reality.

Kat: It depends to what degree you've gone down that rabbit hole because I wasn't, I didn't feel like I was out of integrity, I just wasn't fully revealing all of myself. It was like I was showing a limited version and then I showed more of me, but it was still the real me. So, I lost some people along the way. But, if somebody's completely built up based on all the wrong shit and their not happy, the reality is of course you can crash it down, not crash it down, whatever. The truth is that most people just won't because they're never going to be brave enough to do that. They're seduced and they're trapped in it and they have created a belief system that they can only make that money or have that success by doing it a certain way. They might say otherwise, but the reality is that they're putting money ahead of their soul or so-called security or safety ahead of their soul.

Kat: There's only a very few of us, like you, me, other people here, who are willing to risk it all for soul. I did that, I did walk away from a million dollar business and I was willing to risk it all. Now I make a fuck load of money and I have a lot of the things that a lot of entrepreneurs want, but what people have to understand is I did walk away from it all. Who would do that? Most people would not do that. I also said, at the time I said it and I meant it, when I realised I wasn't being true to my art I said, "From now on I'm only going to write and say what I want," and I said, "If I never make another cent again, I don't care. I will do this until I die because I can always make money being a personal trainer and survive. But I'm going to do what I want to do in my business." I was willing, I really was willing to do it even if I never made money again.

Kat: You've got to be willing to do that and the reality is that most people won't be. They're bound by the money and they're trapped by the money or the idea of it, even if they don't have it they're still somehow bound by it without even having it. Then they're going to give their lives for that. I think you've got to be willing to lose everything. I don't want to not have the fancy stuff that I have, but I'd be fine without it. I don't fricking need it and if I thought that I had to choose, I would walk away from 100% of it in a second. The only thing I actually need is my writing, my art, being able to express what's inside of me. That's where my fulfilment comes from. I just think people aren't willing to do that, most people aren't willing to do that.

Patrick: Well that's good then, I mean the market's definitely not saturated with that.

Kat: I mean, the market's not saturated without it, it's saturated with a lot of people who want to make money online so they don't have to live a normal life. That's fine, you can do that. You can build a little hobby business, but we're not here to talk to those people anyway, we're not trying to convert those zombie-preneurs over to being like us, we're just here to speak to the people who are already like us and who resonate with this and go, "Oh my God, fuck yes." Then you realise that you're not being true to yourself, you already knew all this shit anyway and maybe you need somebody to come along and be like, "Hey, remember who you are."

Patrick: Yeah, zombie-preneur. You call them zombie-preneurs.

Kat: Well I'm not trying to convert them, right? I'm not interested. It's like that expression in the bible that says, "Let he who has ears to hear listen," or something like that. I'm only speaking to those who have ears to hear. I don't want to speak to the people who are not already saying yes to this. I'm not trying to fucking convince people.

Kat: My sister just arrived. I think we have to do a member's training in my membership programme in like one minute. Wait, can you post in that group that we'll be like 10 minutes late? They're probably all on here watching this right now. Even that right, Jess, my sister just walked into the room. Patrick's waving at you, she can't see you, she's way over there. She's waving back.

Patrick: Hello.

Kat: So even like Jess and I did, here's just a quick example, but we did a video together to do the welcome video for my membership programme, The Millionaire Mastermind. We just did a video that goes in the Facebook group on the pinned comment. In the video I'm wearing a cape and we're both sitting up and we just were being complete idiots. We were off our heads laughing, just mucking around. I'm wearing a fucking gold and purple cape and deliberately throughout the whole video at no point did I reference the cape, I just wore it and didn't refer to it at all. Then we did all this silly shit, then somewhere in there we managed to tell people what to expect in the Facebook group.

Kat: That's an example as well right, I'm not going to do a fucking video for my members, like, "Here's what to expect," because that's not fun to me. 100% of it needs to be art, so even that I'm doing a video with my sister, well when we're together in real life, we're just complete idiots and clowns half the time. So we're going to do that on the video as well, we're about to do it now and we're going to do a split screen livestream like this with my brother who's down on the other side of the country. And his wife who does my Facebook ads and stuff and so there will be four of us on here and I'm sure it'll be a party zone. Then it's a training and all those people, those zombie-preneurs, they wouldn't do that, it'd be, "Well that's not professional, you know you've got to be serious."

Patrick: Yeah, exactly. It's the same as everything else though you know. It's just a very tasteless way to live your life. Very tasteless way to just be sold on somebody else's way of living and go live that, you know.

Kat: It is tasteless.

Patrick: Very pointless way to experience this one life that you get. This one fucking life, you know, I can't [inaudible 01:39:47]

Kat: It's tasteless. Exactly, it's a good word for it. I remember, I'll never forget the time you said to me one time, I think we had dinner and we were in a car park. We were talking about messaging and you said, "Well, if you're going to message you have got to do the whole message or nothing at all because to put some kind of limited version of your message out," I can remember your face, you were like, "It would just be disgusting." That reminds, it reminds me of what you just said where you're like, "It's tasteless."

Patrick: I've got another one for you, a really good one. It's balderdash, it's balderdash.

Kat: Balderdash.

Patrick: Balderdash.

Kat: It would be balderdash.

Patrick: It would be complete balderdash to put anything other than what you really want to fucking do out there.

Kat: Stop doing balderdash in your business people. I don't even know what that means, but don't do it. Stop being so disgusting and tasteless with all that balderdash.

Patrick: I remember, I'll give you a good example and stuff before you go, but when I was younger I used to, I was a hacker. You know I had a computer, I would hack into Princeton, I hacked into MIT, I hacked into a bunch of places.

Kat: Should you be saying that?

Patrick: Yeah, I will, fuck it. It was a long time ago, I was a kid, I was like 14 years old when I was doing it. There was this magazine, like this hacker magazine, there was also a bunch of other magazines that would come try to interview me because I'd leave my email address. We'd do what you call deface the website, where you'd replace the front of the website with a little message where you're shouting out your boys and shit like that. Then I had my email address so I'd get interviewed by these tech magazines and things like that.

Patrick: Whenever I'd get interviewed by them, actually I got interviewed by this Japanese magazine one time, they were asking me some stuff. I just didn't give a fuck, you know. If I was so proper I would have said something like you know, "This is how I did it and this and that and this and that," but instead I chose to fuck with them. They were like, "Where are you based out of?" One of the questions was, "Where are you based out of?" And I was like, "Well, me and my cohorts have a base here in Alaska, but our actual rebel base is located on another planet." I just thought that was so funny, to me it was fucking hilarious, but to them, you know over there in Japan they probably had to be thinking what the fuck. I just went through every question just answering it like that, just like fuck you. I'm going to answer it the way it makes me feel good to answer it. Makes me feel good to have fun and enjoy myself. See this on your little magazine and laugh my ass off about it later on, you know, giggle it up.

Patrick: And so, whenever I do things I'm thinking, to get back to that idea, to have that much fun when I'm creating something or creating art I want to have that much fun whenever I do it. It's fun to me, it's funny to me to do shit like that.

Kat: Exactly.

Patrick: That's like, that's free.

Kat: Yeah and it makes you magnetic to your soulmate client. The right people will be magnetised to that and then you access creative flow. We didn't even talk about this as well, but everything we just talked about you get to have fun and be silly and have the shenanigans and so on. It's not just that you get to, but when you do do that, you access all your highest power and creative flow. You just don't access that shit if you're not allowing yourself to be all of you. My best ideas have come from when I'm in that high access energy state when I'm kind of tripping off out my head or just being an idiot or a clown with the people that I'm closest to in my life. That's why you become so magnetised to being with those people all the time because you get into that state. Actually it's why my clients all want to stay clients and renew with me, not just because they get amazing results, but because they're feeding off my energy.

Patrick: Well your inspiring to me on that one because I have over the past few years allowed my mind to be fucked with in this way. You know I was always put the walls and the limitations up and recently I've been going back and just saying fuck all that shit. It is bullshit, it's all bullshit right?

Kat: Yeah.

Patrick: You can do this any way that you want to, any way that you want to and you better do it the fucking way you want to otherwise you're going to live confined to these walls. Trapped in a prison created by these motherfuckers, you know, but [crosstalk 01:44:10]-

Kat: Why would you want to do that?

Patrick: If you do right, so but now I'm steadily pulling down each of these walls as I go along. Watching you and just how you get loose with it, enjoying yourself on camera, it's like starting to, it's coming back to me. I'm going to get even further into it. I just watch you and I'm like, I just want you to know I'm inspired by it and how you're just kind of have fun. Like a kid would you know?

Kat: Yeah, thank you. It is so fun. I know I've got to go, I could keep talking for hours, but I know you saw that little [inaudible 01:44:49] piece that Jess and I did. I was so impressed with myself by that, but I was like God dammit I'm funny, that's the funniest thing I've ever done on the internet. Then it's also very inspiring for people and it does just happen when you let yourself be who you are. I've seen you do that as well, I listened to your livestream the other day while I was driving for an hour and I was just laughing out loud at various points throughout it. I noticed you'll be quite serious and then all of a sudden you'll just go into some random accent or voice, I don't know, some little parody of something. It seems to kind of come out of nowhere and there's been a few times for sure I've spat coffee nearly over my laptop because it's like I wasn't expecting it-

Patrick: Random.

Kat: You were being total serious and then like, what the fuck, that is funny, I love it, that's how it should be. Anyway I'm going to have to jump off. I'm going to have to continue this party over in my members programme.

Patrick: All right, well you all have fun over there. Thank you for letting me join you on the livestream today, of course.

Kat: Thank you for being here, dropping your gold for everybody. Make sure you guys go [crosstalk 01:45:57] read our blogs.

Patrick: I love gold. You all take it easy.

Kat: [inaudible 01:46:03] press play.

Patrick: Thank you for joining.

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